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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #165 on: November 09, 2016, 05:41:56 am »
Yeah - they do need to get rid of that once & for all.

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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #166 on: November 29, 2016, 01:25:29 am »
Hey guys - long time to speak..
Just passing by.. ;D

Been playing a fair bit of 17, but keep asking myself why?

For me this is the worst game yet - for opponents at least.

I would say 9/10 players I face are park-the-bus-counter-attackers with either Musa, Walcott, Wardy or Gray up top - or a combination of.

Not an enjoyable game at all.  Cannot get close to scoring half the time.
Still playing, just for the 10% of decent opponents I occasionally face, then it is a really decent game.

It is very sad.  EA produce a great game, and people ruin it in my opinion.

I even tried playing them at their own game... but not sure exactly what/how they do it...lol

Tried everything... formations, custom tactics, park the bus, attack, high pressure, pressing...

Any tips on how counter this awful awful style of play, gratefully received!


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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #167 on: November 29, 2016, 09:48:14 pm »
hey man, good to hear from you ...


kiwi and tws might be much of a help, as they are doing pretty ok ...


for me i am in div 3, what i play is 433 with 2 cdm and 1 cm (so a bit of a 4231 if you ask me). i pull back LW and RW towards to center and a bit back to mf. and use a custom tactic. i play on attack from the very beginning, otherwise i concede.


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so counter attacking with a narrow and double man defending... when i get the ball, i spam L1 for teammates to join to counter attack.

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« Reply #168 on: November 30, 2016, 01:26:32 am »
hey Hoppy!

Yeah TWS and KIWI are teh die-hards here. I am playing now and then (more then  :P ) in 4321 with some attacking play. Think the game is totally broke but it keeps pulling you in. I am in division 7 or 8. But I am facing crazy high rated teams there. Oh well. Nothing new of course.


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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #169 on: November 30, 2016, 03:59:54 am »
hey man, good to hear from you ...


kiwi and tws might be much of a help, as they are doing pretty ok ...


for me i am in div 3, what i play is 433 with 2 cdm and 1 cm (so a bit of a 4231 if you ask me). i pull back LW and RW towards to center and a bit back to mf. and use a custom tactic. i play on attack from the very beginning, otherwise i concede.


so counter attacking with a narrow and double man defending... when i get the ball, i spam L1 for teammates to join to counter attack.

Thanks for the tips... will try them out.
I am also playing 4321, on attack

Although the defending isn't the worst part (although the counters are relentless) - it is scoring goals I really struggle with.
I can keep them at bay for long periods, by tackling from behind using mids, rather than from the front using defs.

But scoring is almost impossible in many games.  I can retain possession in the middle third, but ...
a) My players are immediately shut down in midfield as if their mids are on some kind of 'auto defend' mission
b) and even if I do manage to retain possession in midfield, with very quick passing, I cannot get near their goal, due to the ten men defending it - and again shutting my players down as if they are flies to a lamp...

How do they play this way?? How are their players set up to defend so swiftly, accurately and relentlessly?
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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #170 on: November 30, 2016, 05:11:37 am »
Yeah Nop ... the AI auto-defend can be an absolute killer.

When they're doing high pressure, that needs to be handled with quick passing - which I'm sure you're generally doing anyway based on your comments. As you go more forward, them rushing out becomes a weakness - doing 1-2's is handy. Problem still exists is that 1-2's are not always as accurate as normal passes.

When it's a PTB/Counter setup, maintaining that possession (effectively frustrating them) is key. They're bound to eventually control a defender manually thereby opening the gap for (another) 1-2.

I pretty much watch all the kid's games in the Weekend League. The moment he comes up against an opponent who defends manually (even one that is great going forward), he wins more than 95% of the games - easily. But, when the person is defending using the AI, it's a little more painful/boring.

Generally, he scores first and then the game changes as they need to push out and once again, this creates space.

Overall, against PTB/Counter, it can be a real boring game - unfortunately.

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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #171 on: December 01, 2016, 03:07:44 am »
Hi Kiwi

But how do they invoke this 'auto defending'?  What is it... where does it come from...?

Why don't I have it!!?   ;D

They just run past my guys like they're not even there...

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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #172 on: December 01, 2016, 06:11:40 am »
Hey Nop.

Sorry, bit of a crappy pic showing the Xbox controls (and thus linked in rather) ... http://fifauteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/A1159-5x.jpg

Pretty much ...
• "Contain" - worst of the lot (IMO) as people who cannot defend, simply hold this all the time waiting for the AI to tackle when close enough to goal.
• "Teammate Contain" - I guess this one should be used as you can use it to get a defender into position, before taking control. Unfortunately, when used in conjunction with the above, it becomes a great "auto defending" tool.
• "Jockey" - I reckon you need to master this one to be real effective in defending. Over-committing a defender a few times - can be brutal. If you play someone who does this effectively, with "Teammate Contain", it's going to be harder to break them down.

Also, defensive pattern - as you say, grab a CDM/CM and run back, before (once again) committing a CB & being out of position quickly. As said, firstly use "Teammate Contain", then take control and use "Jockey" to get them into position.

After that ... it's about reading your opponent! Always harder at the start, but I do reckon a lot of people are similar, and have some "tells" in their attack, e.g. run, run, fake shot, cut in, fake shot, run down the line again. After you've tackled them a few times, the double bluff comes out - again, timing around reading that and they get frustrated.

Most times when I'm watching the kid on the weekend, I will mention "don't be predictable" 15/20 times. A third party watching the game can see the opponent's patterns more easily. If I had to guess, I'd say at least 75% of his opponents, possibly even more, have the exact same tendencies when attacking.

Maybe I play this game too much ... :D.

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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #173 on: December 01, 2016, 09:22:13 pm »

Maybe I play this game too much ... :D.

Mate - we all do!

I use all those defensive features on and off...

I get the ball into midfield and bosh, the ball is gone, as their guy just swoops in and takes it... Just always puzzles me how they so accurately and consistently rob me off the ball.

I guess the people I play are better at using these features than I am! #younger

Ironically been going going okay last couple of sessions, since I came on here whinging!

Got relegated all the way back to D9.. so I guess that helps...playing people just as rubbish as I am!! lol

Thanks for the tips mate... as always

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« Reply #174 on: December 02, 2016, 12:40:10 am »
What Kiwi says is good stuff. Definitely the bit about must opponents doing exactly the same things. Unfortunetly a lot of these thing are the things that are very difficult to stop! I'd say only now after 2 months of a lot of frustration and grinding against park the bus, auto AI defence, and high speed counters, very often in conjunction with each other, do i feel i'm now in a position to compete and am now regularly  feeling much more in control of games.
Been using 4231 for a few weeks, exclusively for the past week, and I feel that it is the perfect formation for how the game is currently. Solid in defence to stop the counters, and going forward, you have players everwhere for a pass, wide, middle, back, forward. I am also using both my fullbacks on always overlap and starting matches on attacking mentality.  Finding that you can open teams up for fun. Even if they are parking the bus, the 3 CAMS and 2 CDM's plus the full backs mean if i stay patient then i can carve them open easily.
If they are a highly skilled opponent, which is quite rare (normally they just rely on pace on the counter), then putting the full backs to be more defensive is a must. I think i only did this five or six times in the weekend league in 36 games, and once in about 15 since then. Because the vast majority play 4321 or 41212(2) and defensive at most, both narrow formations, the two CDM's, CB's and one full back can still snuff out the standard 1-2 through balls, pace ect of Musa, Martial, Mane and the other standard players.
The trouble comes when they aren't lightweight pace players. Lukaku and Firmino are much harder to defend for me than the Musa and Mane's. As long as you are patient and have strong defenders the standard sweat becomes a lot easier to defend with practise.

Currently using very different custom tactics to those from past few fifas chance creation wise, but similar for defence. As ever the key is keeping them in front of your defence!

Will post up my custom tactics and a bit of my last match in a bit.

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« Reply #175 on: December 02, 2016, 04:19:16 am »
Recorded the last match I played in the daily tournament earlier, in the quarter final. I gave away possession cheaply too many times, played a bit faster and direct then normal, and shut down the opponent quicker than if I was playing a more subtle opponent. Also conceded a horrendous goal where the goalkeeper threw it to a different player than I was aiming at, but should have known better than put myself in the situation of that happening.
A few times when I am on the attack though, the number of passing options, both risky and safe with this formation is apparent. Need to improve on this at the weekend though!


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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #176 on: December 08, 2016, 01:31:54 am »
Hey TWS, liked that 4th goal...

So what are your custom tactics and instructions?

It is the immediate dispossession in midfield that is killing me...   I can often stop them scoring for long periods - it is just the breaking them down.  I am playing 4231 also - do you send the CDMs forward on attacks?

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« Reply #177 on: December 08, 2016, 02:19:50 am »
The CDM's, I have one on stay back and man mark. He would be a defensive CDM, a Luiz Gustavo, or Danielle De Rossi. The other would be more of an all rounder and decent passing and attacking stats and as much defending as possible. Maybe a bit of stamina to get up and down the pitch.
The crazy high pressure is avoidable. You have to try and keep it tight and the gaps will appear later on. I won a load of games by scoring in the final quarter once or twice against these guys in my first weekend league. Last weekend was tougher because the defence didn't feel as solid.
The problems start with Kante. He is like a cheat in CM. Autotackles and blocks everything and has unlimited stamina. They lost Ramires and got someone even more OP in place!

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Re: Fifa 17
« Reply #178 on: December 14, 2016, 07:40:34 pm »
Market is messed up - not sure if it's Xbox only.

Searching returns a page or 3 of expired items. You bid, but it seems like it's ignored & the timer simply runs down. Was looking to buy Dembele - currently going for 17.5k ... bid on 1 at 1.9k, ignored and expires. Bid on another at 2.4k ... same thing.

Some people making some great profit at the moment.

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« Reply #179 on: December 14, 2016, 08:11:55 pm »
Market is messed up - not sure if it's Xbox only.

Searching returns a page or 3 of expired items. You bid, but it seems like it's ignored & the timer simply runs down. Was looking to buy Dembele - currently going for 17.5k ... bid on 1 at 1.9k, ignored and expires. Bid on another at 2.4k ... same thing.

Some people making some great profit at the moment.

Not a good time to list stuff up then....

Shame I only have 700c right now!